Melissa Bruijn and Debby Gould run Birthtalk.org, an Australian support and education organisation specializing in planning a positive birth (no matter how you are birthing), plus birth-after-caesarean support, and birth trauma/birth grief support for those who find Birthtalk.org after a previous traumatic or disappointing experience. Debby is a midwife, childbirth educator and doula, and has experienced birth twice herself as a mother of two girls. Melissa is a mother of two and has experienced a traumatic birth ending in caesarean, and then an empowering VBAC. They are also co-founders of CANA—the Caesarean Awareness Network Australia (canaustralia.net).